Dundee 1
Aberdeen 2
League (Premier Division)

1 - 2

League (Premier Division)
Saturday, October 13th, 1984
Dens Park
Attendance: 10,990
3:00 PM Kick-off

Bobby Connor 
Frank McDougall (24)
Billy Stark (27)

Team Managers
Archie Knox
Alex Ferguson

Starting Eleven
1. Tom Carson
2. George McGeachie
3. Tosh McKinlay
4. Stuart Rafferty
5. John McCormack
6. Bobby Glennie
7. Stewart Forsyth
8. John Brown
9. Walker McCall
10. Bobby Connor
11. Ray Stephen
Jim Leighton .1
Stewart McKimmie .2
Tommy McQueen .3
Neal Cooper .4
Alex McLeish .5
Willie Miller .6
Eric Black .7
Neil Simpson .8
Frank McDougall .9
Ian Angus .10
Billy Stark .11

12. Albert Kidd
14. Derek McWilliams
Ian Porteous .12
Willie Falconer .14

Derek McWilliams for Stewart Forsyth (70)
Albert Kidd for Ray Stephen (75)
Willie Falconer for Billy Stark (66)
Ian Porteous for Frank McDougall (87)

Tosh McKinlay (47)
Bobby Glennie (47)
Albert Kidd (49)
John Brown (50)
John McCormack (69)
Frank McDougall (53)
Willie Miller (66)

Red Cards
None. None.
Match Officials

A. M. Roy (Elgin) (Referee)
A. Mauchline (Carluke) & H. Bain (Dalkeith) (Assistants)

Match Report

Newspaper extract from The Courier.

The Dundee-Aberdeen derby at Dens Park on Saturday wasn't the best game of the season, but a strong contender for the noisiest. Much of the din stemmed from the frustrations of both sets of fans at so many controversial refereeing decisions. But plenty of full-blooded action kept everyone on their toes as well.

In the end the Dons won by 2-1. In the beginning, all blood and thunder stuff, it was fairly even with Dundee holding their own against the champions. Enter Alex. Ferguson, stage left, to confirm how the mere presence and voice of a manager can transform his team.

Alex, personally removed the bench from the dug-out as a piece of unwanted furniture, sent his two subs to warm up, and also warmed the ears of the fellows on the field. Hey presto! Two Aberdeen goals came along in quick time, as the Dons suddenly took full advantage of flaws in the home central defence.

Dundee, frankly, looked down and out.

They were trying hard enough but with these Dons in full flow more goals seemed likely, as the battle raged, the crowd raged (at the ref) and the two managers played positive roles from the dugouts.

It was an unexpected boost for Dundee when, a minute from the interval, always a good time to score, Connor reduced arrears from a rebound off a Rafferty shot.

Here was a lifeline for the home team. Could they grab it more securely in the second half?

No sooner had play restarted when referee Roy changed his own tactics. After leaving the players to get on with it in the first hall, he booked four of them in the first five minutes!

Of course this only served to increase the flow of criticism from the terracings. By the final whistle the tally of bookings had reached seven.

One player, Albert Kidd wasn't even on the field, but warming up, when a linesman reported him to the ref who took his name for running on the grass verge. Kidd had previously been warned to stay off.

Dundee, playing with some fluency in the second half, had the better chances. I thought they did enough to earn a draw.

Archie Knox, however, takes no consolation from yet another close result. The Dundee manager is fed-up with "might have beens" and hard luck stories. He wants the points, not the praise!

"Yes we had the chances to score in the second half," he agreed, "but the truth is that you cannot give a team like Aberdeen two goals of a start and expect to win.

"Even if we had the edge in the second half, there still wasn't enough urgency in our approach. We are just not good enough yet."

Dundee have to keep battling on. The margin between their success and failure this season is slender, though the balance is still on the wrong side.

Archie Knox is right to knock any ideas of "bad luck" from his players' thinking. Missing chances, as they did on Saturday, and at Greenock the previous week, is bad play, not bad luck!

Squad Statistics (as at October 13th, 1984)

1984-85 All Time
Tom Carson (GK)25 12 - 12 -
Bobby Glennie27 13 - 2784
John McCormack29 131131
Tosh McKinlay19 132615
Stewart Forsyth22 2 - 2 -
George McGeachie25 13 - 2098
Bobby Connor24 122122
John Brown - 124124
Stuart Rafferty23 132132
Ray Stephen21 13414230
Walker McCall30 1015020
Derek McWilliams (sub)24 102102
Albert Kidd (sub)22 11 - 10810

League Table (as at October 13th, 1984)

No league table has been added for this season.

Manager's Programme Notes

Saturday's draw at Cappielow represented a point lost rather than a point gained.

It was very much a case of missed chances costing us dear, starting with the early penalty and continuing for the rest of the match.

Morton on the other hand didn't create many chances of note and yet they still managed to draw level after we had taken the lead.

These are the two aspects of the game that we must improve on. We must grasp our chances when they arise and also put a stop to the loss of bad goals at the other end.

But having said all that, we can still look back on our last five games with some satisfaction.

We've taken seven points from a possible 10 which in this very competitive League is quite good going. If we are able to keep up that sort of return from our games I would be delighted.

It is also important to bear in mind that we have players who are still settling in at this level.

But the fact that we are now attracting more people to watch us both away and at home means that we must accelerate the need to improve and get better results.

Once again, the size of our support at Greenock on Saturday was a source of encouragement to us all and we have surely proved that we are one of the clubs in Scotland that will attract a good support.

To make sure that the fans stay with us we must get on with the job of seeking improvement and I would repeat that the backing we're getting is encouraging the players.

I also believe that our supporters recognise that we have good players in the team and the fans have shown a willingness to give us backing of the best kind.

Today's visitors Aberdeen are still, in my opinion, the team everyone else has to beat and I was as disappointed as anybody at their exit from the European Cup in Berlin.

We gave a good account of ourselves at Pittodrie on the opening day of the season and I know that Dundee haven't managed to do that at all in games against the Dons at Dens.

We can expect a good crowd and I'm keen to restore the Dundee-Aberdeen derby to being the big one for both sets of fans.


Although we came a bit closer to getting something from Aberdeen's last visit towards the end of last season what happened in the past doesn't matter.

We have so many new faces that it will be a new team they're facing today.